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Why do I get the strange feeling that this user offers opinions on topics that people do not ask for?
Normally I wouldn't comment about something like this, but it seems other people are bothered by you offering your opinions as well.
I think the problem lies within this: You have no tact.
While you may be blunt, honest, and straightforward, you should also have tact when commenting. When you decide to give critique, you should offer constructive criticsm.
Do not say "This is not the best work you can do." or "Digital Photography is Bullshit.". Instead, why don't you really think on something, and then comment if you can honestly and genuinely think of something positive to say.
Critique is about negative and positive, if you can't say something positive about a piece, or can't even find a good point about it, you shouldn't be critiquing.
Also, if people ask for reccomendations, reccomend something in the category of the thing they have asked about. Don't start in about how they should go with something entirely different, especially if you do not know them personally, or understand their needs.
I am deeply sorry for trying to help you out with my comments on equipment. I find it comically ironic that you respond to my advice and insight pertaining to issues with camera method(digital, film, etc.) not with gratitude- since I am trying to help you save some time and money-but instead with criticism of my criticisms on various "works" within this site. I don't know why you brought that up or how it relates in anyway to the original topic that I messaged you about. 'Never criticized any of the stuff in your gallery. I also was never the least bit negative in any of our previous conversations. So the conclusion here is that you, not I, have a problem(s). Your problem is that you're ungrateful, too proud apparently to consider anyone's advice and/or suggestions. You are also nosey, as well as a hypocrit; lecturing me about giving unwanted critiques and comments, then offering to me irrelavent and unwanted words that are wholely negative and accusing. Just a little aside: Constructive criticism is not about being nice, it's not about lying to people or making conversation. It does not have to be balanced in terms of negativity and positivity; accuracy and pertainance is what makes criticism useful. If there's not anything good about something someone's done, why not express a frank and educated opinion? If people aren't aware of their weakness then they'll never improve. So I have no guilt about being truthful; sometimes blunt. I guess I really just shouldn't come to this website because most of you people don't seem to be very realistic. So, you've gotten to the end of the letter. Good job!
First and foremost, I am not greatful to people whom give me reccomendations I'm not interested in. I'm very familiar with the 35mm vs. digital argument. I'm very familiar with with the fact that film still does produce higher quality images. It is not that I am ignorant or prideful. It's just that I really have no genuine desire to work with 35mm.
To be short on this point: I'd rather spend 8k for an excellent digital, then 3k on an even better film camera. I have my reasons and I am both fine with them, and aware that there are other and perhaps better options.
Secondly, the point I was trying to get across in my post in your journal, was simply that you offer advice (and critique) that people genuinely do not want nor ask for. I did not ask people to reccomend a 35mm camera to me, nor did I ask people to educate me in the argument of 35mm vs. digital. I merely asked for reccomendations for good DIGITAL cameras.
Had you given me information on good digitals, and then a reccomendation on a 35mm, I would not have minded your comment. Had you merely reccomended a decent digital, I would have said thanks. However, you did neither of these. In short, your comment was a waste of my time.
Third: I commented on you giving critique to other people. Especially critique that was not helpful. This goes back to my second comment. When people want critique, they want fully useful critique. By saying "That isn't so good", you have merely made a statement.
Yes, critique is about pointing out the bad. It's about pointing out flaws and mistakes. It isn't about pointing out matters of personal taste.
I am very aware that critique is not all happiness, kittens, and flowers. I am also aware that it should never be. Critique, as I said before, is both about negative and positive. My comment on critiquing only pieces of those that you feel there is something positive about is a very founded one.
Why would you waste time on something that you honestly feel has no artistic merit whatsoever? I would never do such a thing. I only critique if I sincerely believe that the person has potential as an artist and can actually improve. There is no reason to give anyone a critique if they do not have any potential whatsoever.
Critique is about making known flaws and mistakes, but it is also about highlighting what is inherently good about someone's work. If you cannot find anything good at all with a persons work, then your critique is more or less meaningless.
In short: Critique is a lot more than "That looks like it took five minutes."
Fourth: Being truthful and blunt is not inherently bad. But it is also not genuinely the best course of action in all cases. I'm a very honest, blunt, and straightforward person. However, I know when there is a time to comment and a time to just not say anything.
The issue at hand is merely that you seem to have very little tact when dealing other people. You present yourself as a pretentious artiste' who is obviously more educated in everything than everyone else.
The simple truth is that while you are not bad at what you do, you are still not perfect by any means. Frankly, no one is. We are all human and all very full of flaws. None of us know everything, and we should not present ourselves as such. Until you are fully aware of why a person has a need for something in particular, you should not attempt to give them unwanted reccomendations.
In ways, yes, I am a hypocrite. Every single person is. End of story. I am fully aware that you did not ask my opinion. I am very aware that I too am wasting your time.
Also, place yourself in my shoes. Say for a moment that you asked for the reccomendation of a good 35mm. Then assume I come to your journal and go on to say how digital is so much better, and that you should willfully waste money on digital because everyone else is doing it.
You would think that I was a complete idiot, and you would never take me seriously. In short, this is exactly what happened. Just with different circumstances.
I think perhaps you might now know exactly how I feel.
I'm not a sensitive person, nor am I someone who loathes critique. I'm very much like you in ways. As I'm honest, blunt, and straight forward. Critique has been a part of my life for a very long time now. As I've been recieving honest critique since I was about 14 or so. I used to do inking, and critique was a very serious thing.
I do believe some people are oversensitive to critique and they take it on a personal level, when in fact they should not. Even so, we still should not be fully insensitive when critiquing the work of others. There is nothing wrong with telling someone that you believe they are not talented. There is something wrong with doing that in a tactless way.
Everything should be done with tact, as far as critique is concerned. Critique doesn't have to be perfectly balanced, but it sincerely should be tempered with tact at very least.
An example: "While this might be a matter of personal taste, I am not very fond of this piece. My reasons for not liking this piece are..." and you go on to state why you do not like the piece. You explain politely, and you explain thoroughly. You do not say "compared to your other work this is completely useless, I think the lighting is complete crap."
If you are polite about things, people are A LOT more inclined to listen to what you have to say. Not only that, they tend to take you a lot more seriously.
Another thing, using paragraphs might help a little bit. The more educated and polite you seem, the better. People do not like getting serious critique from people who do not use paragraphs. It looks cluttered and can become very difficult to read.
Also, when a person asks for a reccomendation in their journal, you should consider replying to their actual journal, instead of cluttering up the rest of their page.
Anyway, I hope this will help you understand why I commented as I did. I also hope that we can both move on from this and both accept that we probably have different ideas and different needs. I have no desire to make enemies on this site, nor do I have any desire to make people feel like they are not wanted. Especially people who do have talent.
Well, here's the last word. Yeah, I really shouldn't even have posted anything on this site because it is all crap that i messed around with when i was bored over the break. It really doesn't reflect my skillat all, so I might not seem to convincing after looking at that stuff...no big deal. I'm just a very passionate person when it comes to the art community and I am educated and i am a little pretentious but only toward people i think are weakening the standards and value of art as a whole. By the way, an 8k camera isn't going to make you a good photographer, it's just a tool. You seem like a very vindictive person, going out of your way to read every review I've made..are you generally an angry person? It seems so. End. Please don't respond to this letter; I'm tired of this arguing.
Regarding your comment:
There is nothing wrong with the camera - i didn't have the settings right (not purposely - i just borrowed the camera 2 days ago & am still learning the basics)
Now you might wonder 'why did you put it up there then?' well, i have friends that I know will give me constructive criticism if i make mistakes - and that helps me to learn. Vespa's comment was helpful. Your comment was... how do i put it... useless? So please, if you are going to offer criticism, do it in a way so the person learns something from it. Otherwise, don't waste their time & yours.
Sincerely,
aja
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well i got a pretty interesting comment from him "You gotta be kidding me? I'm sorry but just because you people consider just about anything to be worthy of the title ART, doesn't mean it is so. I'm just in complete disbelief."
i was not sure whether to be pissed or to be humored. I guess a little bit of both.
dear ~adrianri , its OKAY even good to be a tough critic and straight up, but without an actual reason why, or what you think should've been done, maybe the composition? the colors? the concept? to why it is NOT WORTHY TO BE SEEN AS ART.
besides, art is a very subjective matter. if you constrict art to a certain specific viewpoint or set some STANDARDS to it, then you've got your whole definition of ART terribly wrong.
btw, i honestly think your comment was rubbish.
i love compliments, but i love criticism even more, CONSTRUCTIVE ones, not like yours.. which shall I say rather DESTRUCTIVE..
you should next time, when commenting, include REASONS why, or not it just sounds plain RUDE.
get over it, its the internet.
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Normally I wouldn't comment about something like this, but it seems other people are bothered by you offering your opinions as well.
I think the problem lies within this: You have no tact.
While you may be blunt, honest, and straightforward, you should also have tact when commenting. When you decide to give critique, you should offer constructive criticsm.
Do not say "This is not the best work you can do." or "Digital Photography is Bullshit.". Instead, why don't you really think on something, and then comment if you can honestly and genuinely think of something positive to say.
Critique is about negative and positive, if you can't say something positive about a piece, or can't even find a good point about it, you shouldn't be critiquing.
Also, if people ask for reccomendations, reccomend something in the category of the thing they have asked about. Don't start in about how they should go with something entirely different, especially if you do not know them personally, or understand their needs.
Anyway, good luck.
To be short on this point: I'd rather spend 8k for an excellent digital, then 3k on an even better film camera. I have my reasons and I am both fine with them, and aware that there are other and perhaps better options.
Secondly, the point I was trying to get across in my post in your journal, was simply that you offer advice (and critique) that people genuinely do not want nor ask for. I did not ask people to reccomend a 35mm camera to me, nor did I ask people to educate me in the argument of 35mm vs. digital. I merely asked for reccomendations for good DIGITAL cameras.
Had you given me information on good digitals, and then a reccomendation on a 35mm, I would not have minded your comment. Had you merely reccomended a decent digital, I would have said thanks. However, you did neither of these. In short, your comment was a waste of my time.
Third: I commented on you giving critique to other people. Especially critique that was not helpful. This goes back to my second comment. When people want critique, they want fully useful critique. By saying "That isn't so good", you have merely made a statement.
Yes, critique is about pointing out the bad. It's about pointing out flaws and mistakes. It isn't about pointing out matters of personal taste.
I am very aware that critique is not all happiness, kittens, and flowers. I am also aware that it should never be. Critique, as I said before, is both about negative and positive. My comment on critiquing only pieces of those that you feel there is something positive about is a very founded one.
Why would you waste time on something that you honestly feel has no artistic merit whatsoever? I would never do such a thing. I only critique if I sincerely believe that the person has potential as an artist and can actually improve. There is no reason to give anyone a critique if they do not have any potential whatsoever.
Critique is about making known flaws and mistakes, but it is also about highlighting what is inherently good about someone's work. If you cannot find anything good at all with a persons work, then your critique is more or less meaningless.
In short: Critique is a lot more than "That looks like it took five minutes."
Fourth: Being truthful and blunt is not inherently bad. But it is also not genuinely the best course of action in all cases. I'm a very honest, blunt, and straightforward person. However, I know when there is a time to comment and a time to just not say anything.
The issue at hand is merely that you seem to have very little tact when dealing other people. You present yourself as a pretentious artiste' who is obviously more educated in everything than everyone else.
The simple truth is that while you are not bad at what you do, you are still not perfect by any means. Frankly, no one is. We are all human and all very full of flaws. None of us know everything, and we should not present ourselves as such. Until you are fully aware of why a person has a need for something in particular, you should not attempt to give them unwanted reccomendations.
In ways, yes, I am a hypocrite. Every single person is. End of story. I am fully aware that you did not ask my opinion. I am very aware that I too am wasting your time.
Also, place yourself in my shoes. Say for a moment that you asked for the reccomendation of a good 35mm. Then assume I come to your journal and go on to say how digital is so much better, and that you should willfully waste money on digital because everyone else is doing it.
You would think that I was a complete idiot, and you would never take me seriously. In short, this is exactly what happened. Just with different circumstances.
I think perhaps you might now know exactly how I feel.
I'm not a sensitive person, nor am I someone who loathes critique. I'm very much like you in ways. As I'm honest, blunt, and straight forward. Critique has been a part of my life for a very long time now. As I've been recieving honest critique since I was about 14 or so. I used to do inking, and critique was a very serious thing.
I do believe some people are oversensitive to critique and they take it on a personal level, when in fact they should not. Even so, we still should not be fully insensitive when critiquing the work of others. There is nothing wrong with telling someone that you believe they are not talented. There is something wrong with doing that in a tactless way.
Everything should be done with tact, as far as critique is concerned. Critique doesn't have to be perfectly balanced, but it sincerely should be tempered with tact at very least.
An example: "While this might be a matter of personal taste, I am not very fond of this piece. My reasons for not liking this piece are..." and you go on to state why you do not like the piece. You explain politely, and you explain thoroughly. You do not say "compared to your other work this is completely useless, I think the lighting is complete crap."
If you are polite about things, people are A LOT more inclined to listen to what you have to say. Not only that, they tend to take you a lot more seriously.
Another thing, using paragraphs might help a little bit. The more educated and polite you seem, the better. People do not like getting serious critique from people who do not use paragraphs. It looks cluttered and can become very difficult to read.
Also, when a person asks for a reccomendation in their journal, you should consider replying to their actual journal, instead of cluttering up the rest of their page.
Anyway, I hope this will help you understand why I commented as I did. I also hope that we can both move on from this and both accept that we probably have different ideas and different needs. I have no desire to make enemies on this site, nor do I have any desire to make people feel like they are not wanted. Especially people who do have talent.
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Regarding your comment:
There is nothing wrong with the camera - i didn't have the settings right (not purposely - i just borrowed the camera 2 days ago & am still learning the basics)
Now you might wonder 'why did you put it up there then?' well, i have friends that I know will give me constructive criticism if i make mistakes - and that helps me to learn. Vespa's comment was helpful. Your comment was... how do i put it... useless? So please, if you are going to offer criticism, do it in a way so the person learns something from it. Otherwise, don't waste their time & yours.
Sincerely,
aja
--
The Unknown Artist Project - check it out! [link]
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well i got a pretty interesting comment from him "You gotta be kidding me? I'm sorry but just because you people consider just about anything to be worthy of the title ART, doesn't mean it is so. I'm just in complete disbelief."
i was not sure whether to be pissed or to be humored. I guess a little bit of both.
dear ~adrianri , its OKAY even good to be a tough critic and straight up, but without an actual reason why, or what you think should've been done, maybe the composition? the colors? the concept? to why it is NOT WORTHY TO BE SEEN AS ART.
besides, art is a very subjective matter. if you constrict art to a certain specific viewpoint or set some STANDARDS to it, then you've got your whole definition of ART terribly wrong.
btw, i honestly think your comment was rubbish.
i love compliments, but i love criticism even more, CONSTRUCTIVE ones, not like yours.. which shall I say rather DESTRUCTIVE..
you should next time, when commenting, include REASONS why, or not it just sounds plain RUDE.
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